Pokerstars is still rigged
I've been playing some online poker again off and on for the last week, but I really hit it hard this weekend. Yes, I am an idiot for doing that, please don't remind me.
I can honestly say that I will never ever play poker online again. Despite what these online poker sites say, they are indeed rigged. This is true of Pokerstars as well.
I have been keeping track of hand histories and hand histories just don't lie like Pokerstars does. When you are all in against your opponent pre-flop with QQ to their 99 you are supposed to win 80% of the time. That is the truth for any pocket pair over another situation. Yet the real world statistics just don't apply to their online counterparts where your pocket ladies in the above mentioned situation win approximately 57% of the time.
And then there's the crazy events that defy understanding. One common event that comes to mind is what happened to me yesterday. I was playing super tight and just so happened to be dealt aces. Yeah, I'm happy with those cards. The blinds are 25-50 and with one limper in front of me I bump it up to 250. So far so good. Well, the small blind gets squirelly and pushes all in for a grand total of about 2200. The first limper folds and I gladly call off nearly my entire stack with the best hand. Cards are then shown and the idiot in the small blind has J2o. Yes, that's right, jack-deuce offsuit. I almost started laughing until I saw the flop of 2-2-J. I think you can see how that hand ended for me.
The jack-deuce incident is not an isolated event, as anyone who is a real live person who has played online poker can attest to. People going all in over the top of you with ridiculous cards constantly beat out those who were dealt monsters to start with. If this was just an isolated event, I wouldn't think much of it but it is not. I don't consider this just a crazy anomaly; I consider this cheating on the part of the host site.
So I guess the moral of this story is to not run with scissors, spit into the wind, and under no circumstances should you ever play online poker.
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It's so rigged it's beyond belief…
Over and over again you'll see your monsters sucked out on by nothing…
It's all for a rake and to bust you and have you buy back in…
I agree 100%…this site is juiced and I believe it's to keep bad players in action and to prey on the good players who think it is just short term variance. My hand history stats show this all took place after the US govt. signed UIEGA into law. I don't believe it has anything to do with when you cash out, etc.
Play at Full Tilt. You'll be amazed how often your hand actually holds up. Are there bad beats at Tilt, absolutely…but it's not almost every hand like Stars.
playing 10.00$ + 1$ 30k guaranteed tourney
PokerStars Game #19390067655: Tournament #99190747, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/08/05 - 19:12:55 (ET)
Table '99190747 65' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: ThorosofMyr (3030 in chips)
Seat 2: SilverNightX (2800 in chips)
Seat 3: Kkrraaapppp (4760 in chips)
Seat 4: gakins (5545 in chips)
Seat 5: nomoresoup (650 in chips)
Seat 6: Ashramito (3900 in chips)
Seat 7: sanja1986 (3165 in chips)
Seat 8: Chamex33 (3450 in chips)
Seat 9: Kroanos (2840 in chips)
ThorosofMyr: posts small blind 10
SilverNightX: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kroanos [Kd Ks]
Kkrraaapppp: folds
gakins: folds
nomoresoup: folds
Ashramito: folds
sanja1986: raises 60 to 80
Chamex33: calls 80
Kroanos: raises 180 to 260
ThorosofMyr: calls 250
SilverNightX: folds
sanja1986: folds
Chamex33: calls 180
*** FLOP *** [4d Js 5s]
ThorosofMyr: checks
Chamex33: bets 100
Kroanos: raises 160 to 260
ThorosofMyr: folds
Chamex33: calls 160
*** TURN *** [4d Js 5s] [Qd]
Chamex33: bets 100
Kroanos: raises 220 to 320
Chamex33: calls 220
*** RIVER *** [4d Js 5s Qd] [Th]
Chamex33: bets 200
Kroanos: calls 200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Chamex33: shows [8h 9s] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
Kroanos: mucks hand
Chamex33 collected 2440 from pot
Kroanos said, "lol"
Kroanos said, "what a fcking joke"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2440 | Rake 0
Board [4d Js 5s Qd Th]
Seat 1: ThorosofMyr (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: SilverNightX (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Kkrraaapppp folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: gakins folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: nomoresoup folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Ashramito folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: sanja1986 folded before Flop
Seat 8: Chamex33 showed [8h 9s] and won (2440) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 9: Kroanos (button) mucked [Kd Ks]
Kroanos…. I totally feel your pain. I have seen plays like that so often and the only way it makes sense to me is if the other player/bot/shill knew what was coming. There's no other explanation for that. I mean, a big raise preflop and he calls with 9 high? Misses the flop and calls your raise again?? Ditto for the turn???
And if you have ever played on Full Tilt, have you noticed the differences in the "random" card generators? PStars seems to be playing with a partial pinochle deck I think, unless you're all in preflop with AK vs. 44. Then you won't see a card higher than a Jack. But if you were to reverse the hand I guarantee an ace will hit the flop and a king on the river just for good measure.
If you look up a few comments, I think Big makes a very valid point about this as well. But in the end, it still adds up to being fixed.
I agree on all points…I consistently lose with pocket AA or KK against everything! So, are there any online site that are not rigged and trustwrothly.
The thing is at pokerstars I think the deck is Juiced. (meaning someone will get a bad beat very offen just for the fact to make the pot bigger.) I've had good exp. on Doylesroom.com Fulltilt is alittle Juiced too. if You wanna play on doyles tho put me as a refer please my user name is "itachi"
I started playing on Pokerstars on May 1st of this year. What I've found in playing online is that I can pretty much predict that I will lose with pocket Aces more times than not, I actually dread getting these cards because of how rarely they hold up. Other ridiculous beats happen time and time again. What I noticed is that the site seems to give you some confidence and you get on a nice roll of winning and you know you're playing quality hands and playing well, and the ridiculous flops and river cards always seem to screw you at the end. Most of the flops turns and rivers seem highly unlikely. I believe that there must be some type of thing that is triggered in the software that makes you lose time and again. I've placed in the money in tournaments, I've pretty solid etc.. and I know when I haven't played my best and can fully admit that, it's all the other factors that frustrate me. If someone has a better recommendation for a site let me know because I'm sick of pokerstars!
Well, I can just agree. Played Pokerstars for 1 week. In my 1st tourny I came 16/3150, so that was vry good. However bumped out just before the steep prize-slope began after 8.5 hs. Was 5th place then and decided to all-in w AJ and AA5 on flop. Got called by oppononent w similar stack who had KK. K on river kicked me out and prevented me from becoming monster chip-leader (worth approx 7k) if no K-river I could have shut down c-putor and wake up at least a few K richer. Now 8.5 hs of play gave me 145 bucks.
Tried again following day and 2 hs in the tourny, having a nice stack, I got JJ. Called a raise pre-flop. Flop was AAJ. Opponent went all-in w A8 (being sure of a split I guess). I called and…….. on turn came last A in deck.
Ive shut down the site since. Of course shit happens in poker but its hard to continue on this site when your first 2 vital all-ins, result in an outcome that should occur once in less than 2000 tries.
Rigged? Well dont really care just cant play there anymore.
/Ulf
I don't know if it is rigged or just bad algorithm
for shuffle. played there for over five years. never have seen the kind of stuff in live poker as I have seen on Stars. Notice 80% of the time get beat with flush draw. Also notice if a player is short stacked they will usually win if all in with anything.lots of times 3 or more pocket pairs at same time. AA lots of times, sometimes AA will go around the table 3 or more times within 9 hands. I was just playing s&g flopped J high straight all in against KK Turn9 riverK to give KK full house.This type of beat is not unusual. At stars see the flop as much as you can. crap cards win alot there.
i'm pretty sure that pokerstars functions similarly to the old arcade games. i know that in the old arcade games if you had access to the cabinet you could tweak the difficulty level i.e. the game/AI tolerance. i think pokerstars records your play if you use play money, it gives the computer the ability to predict your tendencies. the same applies if you don't play play money and just play real money. the game is building a dossier(if you will) of your play. essentially the game knows what you're more than likely willing to play. that's why when the crunch-time-points in the game come up ( cruch-times=times before break periods in tournaments) the computer deals you decoy suited/good hands. if you play crunch time hands you will basically lose all the time. also, hands like QQ should almost never be played to all in. neither should KK,JJ,… the only hand you can go all in with is AA. can they lose? yes. but it's the only all in gamble hand you can work with online. every online site is funky. they're not random but neither are live games really. true randomness is 7+ shuffles but who does that? is online biased toward bad compulsive gamblers? yes. the sites do not want good players on their games so they basically do little things to get you to quit. they don't want to lose you for good they just don't want you scaring off good stooges. online is basically rigged but because it's rigged it makes it predictable. any good online player should know when they will probably lose a hand regardless of its strength. plus, you should also know when the game is basically saying get the fcuk off of our site and come back later, you're too good.
I have come to the conclusion that what pokerstars (jokerstars) does is give the idiot players who call the big bets with nothing confidence to play their cash sites, that way when they bet and lose, which means they bet big remembering how in play chip games they won stupidly, pokerstars take a bigger rake. I do not play cash site here anymore because of bad beats, I truely believe that pokerstars loves to see the dramatic finish, why river will kick best hand every time. As far as any pair down, big risk to play at pokerstars, flopped set so many times just to lose to bigger set. Hard to say which is worst, A A down or 10 10, lose every time here, still play just for tourneys that cost nothing but qualify for cash, will take it any time I can from this joke site. LOL
Here is the deal guys. I can almost be sure that most of these freak events happen when you go against a bigger stack. The software is set up to end the tourny as soon as possible so you will enter another one and increase there profits. If you can help it (some times you can't) never go all in against a bigger stack. Especially the Boss stack on the table you will lose every time.
Now if you become the Boss stack use it to your advantage.
Sorry to break it to you but all the sites are pretty much the same. Just start keeping track like I have and you will see it is obvious.
Yeah, I can underline your statements and feelings about Pokerstars ;(
I have been playing online poker for 1,5 year now and anything I do in real life poker as you know from the televised professional tournaments like the EPT and WPT, is nowhere near what happens on online poker e.g. on Pokerstars. It's sad but true.
- When you have complained in the past @ Pokerstars e.g. through the chatboxes and email and/or forums, you'll be tainted forever.
- If you win a satellite for a tournament, let's say the Sunday Million, and you decide not to complete and therefore add the $215 to your T$ stack, you won't win anything major with those T$. E.g. another satellite for the Sunday Million.
- While you're tainted, you stay tainted. You lose ridiculous hands… what's ridiculous?
I hold A10 suited, big stack calls my raise.
Flop: A J 8, rainbow flop.
I check, he checks.
Turn: 9
I bet, he calls.
River: 5
I check, he bets 2x BB.
I think, wonder what he has and I expect a bigger ace. Well played, I thought.
Showdown: he holds 9 5 off suit and takes the pot.
Another example:
You get A9 of spades. Nice raising hand. And so I did.
After a call and another call, 3 people in the hand.
Flop: 2 8 7: 2 spades.
I have a 4flush but I learned to accept I hardly convert it to a flush but I still try someone. Dumb fool.
Anyway, I check, he bets out, I reraise, he reraises and I move all-in, he calls.
I'm beat. He holds A8 off suit. Top pair top kicker.
I got outs to win, any 9, any spade…
But of course no spade on turn or river. And to make me feel better.
An ace on the turn, eight on the river.
Nines were out of stock?
Spades were out of stock?
Apparently…
But it happens all the time.
I can go on and on…